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		<title>Los Angeles Dodgers Evidence of Just How Quickly A Starting Pitching Surplus Can Collapse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie Knopf</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a topic of much contention for years now–why do the Rays always operate with an enormous pitching surplus? Why do they have so many extra starters that they have to keep big league-ready pitchers in the bullpen or the minor leagues while their offense struggles so mightily? Here are the Rays&#8217; current starting [...]</p><p><a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com/2013/05/01/los-angeles-dodgers-evidence-of-just-how-quickly-a-starting-pitching-surplus-can-collapse/">Los Angeles Dodgers Evidence of Just How Quickly A Starting Pitching Surplus Can Collapse</a> - <a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com">Rays Colored Glasses</a> - <a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com">Rays Colored Glasses - A Tampa Bay Rays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a topic of much contention for years now–why do the Rays always operate with an enormous pitching surplus? Why do they have so many extra starters that they have to keep big league-ready pitchers in the bullpen or the minor leagues while their offense struggles so mightily? Here are the Rays&#8217; current starting pitchers:</p>
<p><strong>1. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/priceda01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">David Price</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong> 2. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hellije01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Jeremy Hellickson</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong> 3. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/moorema02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Matt Moore</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong> 4. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cobbal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Alex Cobb</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong> 5. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=carmofa01&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Roberto Hernandez</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong> 6. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/niemaje01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Jeff Niemann</a></strong> (DL)</strong><br />
<strong> 7. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/archech01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Chris Archer</a></strong> (AAA)</strong><br />
<strong> 8. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/odorija01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Jake Odorizzi</a></strong> (AAA)</strong><br />
<strong> 9. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=colome001ale&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Alex Colome</a></strong> (AAA)</strong><br />
<strong> 10. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/torreal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Alex Torres</a></strong> (AAA)</strong></p>
<p>The Rays&#8217; big league rotation is really good (although Hernandez has not done much so far), but why do the Rays have four pitchers at Triple-A who could be the core of a rotation that might be better than that of several teams in the major leagues? Why did the Rays sign Hernandez when one of several pitchers could have stepped up to their rotation right at the start of the season? Archer is at Triple-A Durham to work on his command and changeup, but wouldn&#8217;t he be better served doing that in the major leagues? It&#8217;s not like the Rays would ask him to be anything more than a 5th starter as a rookie, and Archer could certainly be that right now after how well he pitched at the end of last season. The same can probably be said of Odorizzi. What are the Rays doing? Look no further than the plight of the Los Angeles Dodgers so far this season for the answer. Here was their starting pitching depth entering the season.</p>
<p><strong>1. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kershcl01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Clayton Kershaw</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong></strong><strong>2. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Zack Greinke</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong>3. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryuhy01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Hyun-jin Ryu</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong></strong><strong>4. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beckejo02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Josh Beckett</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong></strong><strong>5. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/billich01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Chad Billingsley</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong>6. <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/capuach01.shtml" target="_blank">Chris Capuan0</a></strong><br />
<strong>7. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/haranaa01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Aaron Harang</a></strong></strong><br />
<strong>8. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lillyte01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Ted Lilly</a></strong> (DL)</strong><br />
<strong>9. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fifest01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Stephen Fife</a></strong> (AAA)</strong><br />
<strong>10. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/magilma01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Matt Magill</a></strong> (AAA)</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong>The Dodgers had an even bigger logjam with the trio of Billingsley, Capuano, and Harang being established major league pitchers without rotation spots available, not prospects. The Dodgers had an exorbitant amount of pitching depth and designated Harang for assignment to address some of it. But since then, they have watched their entire staff come apart. Kershaw has been unhittable and Ryu has been great as well, and Beckett has stayed healthy. But beyond them, everything has come apart. Greinke will be out until June after the whole incident with <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quentca01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Carlos Quentin</a></strong>. Billingsley will miss the rest of the season after undergoing <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnto01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Tommy John</a></strong> Surgery. Capuano is out with a calf strain. And Fife came up from Triple-A to make a start, but he&#8217;s out with shoulder bursitis. All of that necessitated the Dodgers to rely on Lilly straight off the DL and Magill in his major league debut. Suddenly the Dodgers are down to just five starters, and one more injury and they&#8217;ll be forced to either call up an organizational arm from Triple-A or rush a top prospect like <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lee---001zac&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Zach Lee</a></strong> or <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=reed--000chr&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Chris Reed</a></strong> from Double-A. The Dodgers&#8217; enviable depth disappeared in a flash and suddenly they&#8217;re hanging by a thread.</p>
<p>The past several years, the Rays have been extremely lucky. Since <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kazmisc01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Scott Kazmir</a></strong> left in 2009, just one Rays pitcher has missed time with a significant injury: Jeff Niemann in 2011 and 2012. That&#8217;s it. David Price and Jeremy Hellickson have missed a couple starts, but other than that, everyone has made each of their starts on turn. It&#8217;s a credit to the Rays for finding not just talented pitchers but durable ones. At the same time, though, their run of rotation health is something that could end at any second. If two pitchers go down, suddenly Archer and Odorizzi are key to the Rays&#8217; success. That seems like an unlikely scenario–after all, the Dodgers have fallen victim to extreme misfortune and not a situation that happens with any regularity in baseball. Here&#8217;s one that could very well happen, though: let&#8217;s say that Hernandez&#8217;s results never improve, leading to a release to bring Archer to the major leagues. Then, the Rays would be just one injury way from calling up Odorizzi.</p>
<p>The chances are that the Rays&#8217; incredible starting pitching depth will not do them much good this season. Their starting staff will stay basically healthy and they&#8217;ll be too many quality pitchers for five spots, prompting fans to demand that their team trades a starter to address their offensive woes. It&#8217;s only if everything goes wrong and several pitchers get injured that we would truly appreciate the Rays&#8217; depth. No one wants to see that and it probably won&#8217;t happen. But even with that being the case, Rays fans should be content to know that the Rays are ready for the worst-case scenario and are going to do whatever they can to keep contending even if the injury bug their starting pitchers have avoided for years rears its ugly head.</p>
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		<title>Do The Tampa Bay Rays and Los Angeles Dodgers View Their Rotation Surpluses The Same Way?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie Knopf</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re looking for the exact opposite edge of the financial spectrum in major league baseball for teams looking to contend in 2013, you&#8217;ll not going to find a more divergent pairing than the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Tampa Bay Rays. The Dodgers shook the baseball world this offseason by signing Zack Greinke, Hyun-Jin [...]</p><p><a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com/2013/03/05/do-the-tampa-bay-rays-and-los-angeles-dodgers-view-their-rotation-surpluses-the-same-way/">Do The Tampa Bay Rays and Los Angeles Dodgers View Their Rotation Surpluses The Same Way?</a> - <a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com">Rays Colored Glasses</a> - <a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com">Rays Colored Glasses - A Tampa Bay Rays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re looking for the exact opposite edge of the financial spectrum in major league baseball for teams looking to contend in 2013, you&#8217;ll not going to find a more divergent pairing than the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Tampa Bay Rays. The Dodgers shook the baseball world this offseason by signing <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Zack Greinke</a></strong>, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=ryu---000hye" target="_blank"><strong>Hyun-Jin Ryu</strong></a>, and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/leagubr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Brandon League</a></strong> to big free agent contracts, an impressive follow-up to a 2012 season that saw them acquire <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzaad01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Adrian Gonzalez</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beckejo02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Josh Beckett</a></strong>, and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crawfca02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Carl Crawford</a></strong> at the August 31st waiver trade deadline in a trade with the Red Sox that&#8217;s already one of the most polarizing in history. The Rays, meanwhile, actually won more games than the Dodgers in 2012, 90 compared to 86, but they spent this offseason trading off two critical pieces of their ballclub, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shielja02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">James Shields</a></strong> and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/daviswa01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Wade Davis</a></strong>, first and foremost to get four talented prospects headlined by <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=myers-006wil&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Wil Myers</a></strong> but with their elevated salaries certainly a major consideration, and instead of signing the big-name free agents, the Rays were shopping in the bargain bin as they looked to refurbish their major league team for what they hope will be another big season that will bring them back to the playoffs. The strategies of the Dodgers and Rays could not be any more different. But there is one big thing the two teams have had in common over the past several months: a surplus of starting pitchers. Despite all the other ways their ballclubs differ, have the Dodgers and Rays shown similar thought processes in their handling of their rotation surpluses?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quick chart comparing the Rays&#8217; starting pitchers to the Dodgers. Obviously a lot of things will be different, but let&#8217;s see what&#8217;s the same.</p>
<p><a href="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/21/files/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-05-at-10.50.17-AM.png"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-10226" title="Screen Shot 2013-03-05 at 10.50.17 AM" src="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/21/files/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-05-at-10.50.17-AM.png" alt="" width="950" height="266" /></a></p>
<p>(Note that &#8220;Age&#8221; is seasonal age for the 2013 season and &#8220;Free Agency Year&#8221; is the year following their last season under contract, counting all option years.)</p>
<p>Comparing the two groups of pitchers, obviously the money is completely different and any comparison we try to make is flimsy as best. Both rotations have young ace lefties in <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/priceda01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">David Price</a></strong> and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kershcl01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Clayton Kershaw</a></strong>, another promising lefty still looking to establish himself in the big leagues in <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/moorema02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Moore</a></strong> and Ryu, and an enigmatic middle-aged righty in  <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=carmofa01&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Hernandez</a></strong> and Josh Beckett, and maybe we can stretch and compare <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/niemaje01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Niemann</a></strong> to <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/billich01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Billingsley</a></strong> as pitchers who have shown talent in the past but are coming off injuries. But when we go back to where the Rays rotation was early this offseason, before the big Shields trade, the comparison is a little more compelling.</p>
<p><a href="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/21/files/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-05-at-11.11.02-AM.png"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-10227" title="Screen Shot 2013-03-05 at 11.11.02 AM" src="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/21/files/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-05-at-11.11.02-AM.png" alt="" width="950" height="267" /></a></p>
<p>David Price and Clayton Kershaw are both dominant ace left-handers making their first big payday this season as they reached an eight-figure salary for the first time. Shields and Greinke are high-priced veteran right-handers a clear step who have never quite established themselves as true aces except for one great season (Greinke in 2009 and Shields in 2011) but are clear frontline arms with the ability to be a second ace in the rotation. Hellickson and Billingsley are talented right-handers who still need to prove they can sustain their past performance, Hellickson because of his peripheral statistics and Billingsley because of his injury concerns. Moore and Ryu are both young lefties with the ability to become very good pitchers right now but who still have much to prove. Niemann and Beckett are right-handers who were really good not that long ago and are struggling to become the pitchers they once were. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cobbal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Cobb</a></strong> and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/capuach01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Capuano</a></strong> are solid middle-of-the-rotation arms but lack the upside of the guys around them. Davis and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/haranaa01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Harang</a></strong> are right-handers who showed quite a bit of ability in the past but took a step back and may not be worth their salary anymore (as the Rays showed by trading Davis). <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/archech01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Archer</a></strong> and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lillyte01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Lilly</a></strong> are awfully hard to compare, but both are pitchers with talent with questions remaining over whether they&#8217;ll be able to contribute in the major leagues this season, with Archer still needing to work on his control and changeup and Lilly needing to stay healthy. So what does this tell us? Simply that we can make a halfway-decent comparison between these two starting staffs or at least between where they were earlier this offseason. But we still haven&#8217;t answered our question: have the Dodgers and Rays carried out similar strategies in the handling of their rotation surpluses?</p>
<p>The knee-jerk reaction to that question is that the Rays and Dodgers&#8217; strategies could not be any more different- after all, the Rays traded away Shields and Davis while the Dodgers added Greinke and Ryu. That&#8217;s certainly a key difference between the Rays and Dodgers- the Rays have to fight to remain competitive despite major budgetary constraints while the Dodgers are willing to spend as much as it takes to make their team one of the best in baseball. But the mindset behind all the moves both teams made this offseason were actually very similar. Why could the Rays trade Shields and Davis? Because they believed that Hellickson and Moore could step up to become at least a solid number two and number three in their rotation and that Moore had the ability to expedite his development and become a second ace alongside Price before they knew it. The Dodgers added Greinke and Ryu to secure the number two and number three spots in their starting staff while the Rays traded away Shields knowing that they had that and needing to address other needs. But the comparison stretches farther than that.</p>
<p>Both teams had solid rotations even after the Shields trade for the Rays and after the Greinke signing for the Dodgers, but both teams felt the need to sign one more starter, Hernandez for the Rays and Ryu for Los Angeles. Obviously Ryu is a much better insurance policy considering that he&#8217;s been dominating in Korea while Hernandez hasn&#8217;t been any good since 2010, but both teams saw the risk in the players they had, with the Rays worrying about how unproven their rotation was while the Dodgers were primarily concerned with the potential for injury on their staff. And even though both teams have eight strong rotation candidates, neither are rushing to trade their back-end guys, with other teams having interesting in the Rays&#8217; Niemann and the Dodgers&#8217; Harang but nothing likely to happen until at least the end of spring training when both teams have their starting five firmed up.</p>
<p>The Dodgers will spend around 80 million dollars on their rotation even if there&#8217;s a trade while the Rays will spend under 20 million dollars. But the thought process of the two teams is extremely similar: prioritize getting a strong top three in their rotation, sign additional depth when the opportunity arises, and don&#8217;t make a trade except when you&#8217;re absolutely sure that you have sufficient pitchers remaining to keep from losing a beat. None of those ideas is that crazy- I&#8217;m sure every team in baseball would love to get an amazing rotation with a dynamite top three and ridiculous depth, and also have the luxury of trading a starting pitcher at their terms- but the way both the Rays and Dodgers place a premium on starting pitching in a very similar way is pretty staggering. The two teams work in completely different ways- the Rays have made their rotation one of the best in baseball through a series of excellent draft picks and trades while the Dodgers have done so by spending money like crazy- but the end result is the same even in the process is extremely different.</p>
<p>The Rays and Dodgers will take on each other in a three-game series at Dodger Stadium from August 9th to 11th, and fans will see two teams who work in entirely different financial stratospheres. But when the pitchers take the mound and go up against one another, the results for the two pitchers could be incredibly similar. Although you can&#8217;t predict baseball and it&#8217;s far too early to tell, there&#8217;s a great chance that the games will be pitchers&#8217; duels heading right down the wire. That&#8217;s not meant as praise of the Rays&#8217; ability to work with a small payroll or disdain to what the Dodgers have done with their large one- just a statement to how the minds behind two of the best teams in baseball work alike even when their financial realities couldn&#8217;t be any more at odds.</p>
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		<title>The Dodgers&#8217; Zack Greinke Signing Expedites James Shields&#8217; Trade Market- And Turns It Into Complete Chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie Knopf</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The Los Angeles Dodgers were the favorites to land Zack Greinke since the start of his free agency. There were some speed bumps along the way, with Greinke at one point seemingly preferring the Texas Rangers, but the Dodgers finally got their man as they signed Greinke to a six-year, 147 million dollar contract on [...]</p><p><a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com/2012/12/09/the-dodgers-zack-greinke-signing-expedites-james-shields-trade-market-and-turns-it-into-complete-chaos/">The Dodgers&#8217; Zack Greinke Signing Expedites James Shields&#8217; Trade Market- And Turns It Into Complete Chaos</a> - <a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com">Rays Colored Glasses</a> - <a href="http://rayscoloredglasses.com">Rays Colored Glasses - A Tampa Bay Rays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Los Angeles Dodgers were the favorites to land <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Zack Greinke</a></strong> since the start of his free agency. There were some speed bumps along the way, with Greinke at one point seemingly preferring the Texas Rangers, but the Dodgers finally got their man as they signed Greinke to a six-year, 147 million dollar contract on Saturday. The Greinke signing was the end of a lengthy process for the Dodgers. However, for the Rangers and the rest of baseball, the signing of Greinke will continue to reverberate. We see at the Winter Meetings how not much happened because everyone was waiting on Greinke. Now, the wait is over and things could start happening fast.</p>
<p>Zack Greinke was the undisputed best pitcher on the market this offseason. Who&#8217;s second? The Tampa Bay Rays&#8217; very own <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shielja02.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">James Shields</a></strong>. We&#8217;ve heard about plenty of trade scenarios, from the Royals to the Rangers to the Diamondbacks to even the Dodgers at one point. Who wants Shields the most after this Greinke deal? We&#8217;re about to find out.</p>
<p>For the Rangers and Diamondbacks, things are getting crazy. There were reports that the Rays were planning on signing Greinke and trading with the Diamondbacks for Upton as part of a 4-team trade that would land Shields or the Indians&#8217; <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cabreas01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Asdrubal Cabrera</a></strong> in the desert. The Diamondbacks have signed <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mccarbr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Brandon McCarthy</a></strong>, but as starting pitchers go, Shields is almost the exact opposite of McCarthy, being a pitcher who has been consistently durable the last six years while McCarthy seems to constantly go on the DL whether for arm problems or unfortunate incidents, and they could still be very interested in bolstering their rotation with Shields. The Diamondbacks now have pitching depth but could still acquire Shields so they can trade young pitching to the Indians for Cabrera. But now, don&#8217;t the Rangers want Shields as much as the Diamondbacks if not more? Now, as Jon Heyman of CBS Sports <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/277603718810173440" target="_blank">tweeted</a>, the Rangers could aim at re-signing free agent outfielder Josh Hamitlon and acquiring Shields. They are still interested in acquiring Upton according to <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/277588645064626176" target="_blank">Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports</a>, but wouldn&#8217;t they be more likely to steer Shields their way in any potential trade? Back-tracking for a second, before the Greinke signing the 4-team trade, in very vague terms, looked something like this.</p>
<p><strong>Diamondbacks trade OF <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/u/uptonju01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Justin Upton</a></strong> to Rangers and young pitchers to Indians and receive RHP James Shields and SS Asdrubal Cabrera.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Rangers trade INF <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oltmi01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Mike Olt</a></strong> and other prospects to the Rays and receive OF Justin Upton.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Indians trade SS Asdrubal Cabrera to the Diamondbacks and receive young pitching from Diamondbacks.</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong><strong>Rays trade RHP James Shields to the Diamondbacks and receive Mike Olt and other prospects from the Rangers.</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong>Basically (if this can possibly be termed basic) the Diamondbacks were trading Justin Upton to the Rangers and using the prospects they would have gotten for the Rangers to acquire James Shields. Then they would use the additional rotation depth Shields gives them to trade pitching to the Indians for Asdrubal Cabrera. But now what&#8217;s happening? Could the Rangers lose interest in Upton and start competing with the Diamondbacks to acquire Shields with Upton possibly replacing his brother <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/u/uptonbj01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">B.J. Upton</a></strong> in Tampa Bay in a possible deal? Could the Rangers trade for Upton anyway, which would turn the Hamilton market into complete chaos with them not an option, and then go to the free agent market or possibly the Mets&#8217; <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dicker.01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">R.A. Dickey</a></strong> for pitching help? Could the Rays and Rangers leave the 4-team trade discussion and do a direct trade of Shields for prospects? If they do, could they re-enter the Upton trade discussion (with Upton heading to Texas) trying to push <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hellije01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Jeremy Hellickson</a></strong> as the pitcher the Diamondbacks could acquire? Could the 4-team trade become a 3-team trade with the Rangers out and become a trade with Upton heading to Tampa Bay, Shields and Cabrera heading to Arizona, and a boatload of prospects heading to Cleveland? Could another team replace Texas in the deal? Are the Diamondbacks at a disadvantage because they have almost to deal an outfielder with Upton, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kubelja01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Jason Kubel</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?results=eatonad01,eatonad02&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Adam Eaton</a></strong>, and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/parrage01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Gerardo Parra</a></strong> giving them a surplus?</p>
<p>Now where do the Royals fit in? They have been dangling top outfield prospect <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=myers-006wil&amp;utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-rayscoloredglasses.com" target="_blank">Wil Myers</a></strong> for Shields, but the Rays have held out for even more in exchange for the most dependable starter in their history. Could the increased interest of the Texas, Arizona, and who knows what other teams make the Royals grit their teeth and give the Rays an offer more in line with what they desire? At the end of the day, what do the Rays really want? Is their ideal Myers, Justin Upton, or Mike Olt and more from the Rangers? Will the Rangers determine everything by how hard they go after Shields and Hamilton? Or are the Rays instead the team in control here because they get to pit pitching-starved teams against each other and decide where to trade Shields?</p>
<p>The Dodgers&#8217; signing of Greinke has led a heightened sense of urgency for teams searching for pitching. But while teams may have a better idea of which teams are in the market for pitching this offseason, many more questions remain than answers as it remains to be seen which teams will target which players and how far are they willing to go to get deals done, and anything could happen over these next few weeks. Get ready for absolute madness, and by the end of it all, the landscape of Major League Baseball could have completely changed.</p>
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